'The boss only talks about dream growth, not salary': Can such a company go?
"Boss" and "employee" don't seem to come from the same planet - the boss expects "horses run fast" and employees expect "horses eat more grass", what do you think of such a set of almost irreconcilable contradictions ? When faced with a real choice, do you value the good vision your boss talks about, or the real salary?
If you are reading the article, you will definitely have your own answer! So, what advice would you give to the following friend who is still hesitating? Let's take a look at an email I just received (details have been edited to protect personal privacy)
Note: Thank you for opening the article. In order to save time, you can only look at the bold part, and then look at the details if you are interested (it’s very caring~).
01 "Recruitment does not negotiate salary", should Xiaohong accept the offer?
I am Xiaohong (pseudonym), a senior student, majoring in chain management, and now I am offering a public relations company. The boss has a very good background. He was an executive of a big brand before, and he is also very young. Now the company is in the start-up stage, and the business is brand planning for chain operations, which is just a professional counterpart, and the industry is also my favorite.
The interview process was very smooth, especially at the end, the boss was very enthusiastic. While asking about my major, he introduced the company's blueprint and the new momentum of the chain operation, and said: Don't worry, our salary is absolutely competitive. And there are more and more projects in the future, and there is a lot of room for growth! However, the whole interview went down without mentioning the salary (I did not ask).
Later, HR WeChat told me: The boss is very satisfied with me, and I will send an OFFER next week. This is a good thing. When I asked about my salary, HR said that I would have to wait for the boss to come back from a business trip before discussing it, and he didn't give me a reply.
To be honest, I do care about the salary. After all, the living cost of renting a house in Shanghai is very high. If the salary is too low, I cannot accept it. I want to ask: Is this company too secretive about the topic of salary? Should I choose to accept the offer from this company?
"The boss only talks about dream growth, not salary": Can such a company go?
After reading this friend's description, do you think he should consider this offer?
Do you think she should accept this offer? radio
A. The most important thing for young people is to look at growth, professional counterparts, industry likes, and bosses who have a background, should be considered.
B. "No salary negotiation in recruitment, only heart-to-heart talk is a hooligan", not considered.
C. Others (please leave a message).
vote
02 Why does the boss delay in discussing salary?
I guess many of my friends will agree with option B - "No salary negotiation in recruitment, only heart-to-heart talk is a hooligan". So, why do some companies "only talk about heart, not salary" when recruiting?
This situation is not uncommon. I have experienced it myself, and my classmates have also experienced it. Even some companies are not unreliable scam companies. The common reasons are as follows.
First, starting a business or a private company, the salary is not high, and I am afraid that you will dislike it, so I will not talk about it.
This is my own job search experience, and I joined the job later, and I have no regrets in the end.
At that time, I was just 30 years old. Because I had some thoughts on the original industry and failed to figure it out, not only did I leave the original company, but also directly applied for a cross-industry job search-to a new field to engage in sales work. I interviewed a salesman of an international education company. I had a good conversation with HR and the boss, and promised me on the spot: Don’t worry, the salary I will give you will definitely not be less than before.
But a week later, the HR of the other party called me and said that the boss wanted to chat with me again. Then, the boss started to go around and say: what should be long-term vision, have a big bearing and heart, etc. After going around for a long time, the boss finally said with a bitter face: "The salary that can be paid now is higher than what you were before. Pay less than a third."
In fact, I was prepared to cut my salary before I changed careers. Besides, this company is a suitable place to work and I like the industry, so I took the initiative to say that I could accept it, and everyone was happy.
So, when a company shies away from talking about wages, it may be that the wages here are not high. Whether you accept it at this time depends on your financial pressure and job-seeking competitiveness.
"The boss only talks about dream growth, not salary": Can such a company go?
Second, for start-up companies, there is no systematic salary setting, and it all depends on the boss's mood.
A girl who just joined an e-commerce company told me: During the interview, HR was too slow to determine the salary. I didn't expect that the final salary standard was 10,000 yuan. It was only after I joined the company that I found out that this was a start-up platform, and there were only about 10 people in the company. The boss went out to talk about the next big project. She was in a good mood and saw her ability. He planned to train her to be responsible for the operation of two big brands, so he offered a relatively high salary.
Therefore, not talking about salary may not necessarily mean that the salary given is dead, but it may also be because there is no established salary system.
Judging from the content of Xiaohong's letter, she also went to a start-up company. At this time, everyone's mind was devoted to starting a business, not internal construction, and there was no standardized process for cooperation between departments. Therefore, there were no rules for many things, including salary of course.
"The boss only talks about dream growth, not salary": Can such a company go?
03 What if the boss doesn't talk about salary?
First, job hunting depends on salary, which is only natural.
From the boss's standpoint, of course, I hope you don't pay too much attention to salary and benefits; from your future development standpoint, of course, you should have a long-term plan, so you will hear many people tell you that young people can't just look for money when looking for a job.
I agree with "you can't just look at money", but this sentence hides a key point that "you have to look at money, but also look at money clearly", after all, it is only right and proper to give money for work.
In fact, before the company and employees need to sign labor contracts, there are Party A and Party B, that is to say: "Joining the job" is a cooperation between the company and employees.
The prerequisite for the smooth development of cooperation is that both parties to the contract reach a consensus on the cooperation matters with clear responsibilities, clear standards, and equal responsibilities and rights. Among them, the job position, work place, work content, work standards, and remuneration are all indispensable and key contents, which must be clarified - this is your right and obligation.
"The boss only talks about dream growth, not salary": Can such a company go?
Second, "whether to decide to join": a comprehensive evaluation is required.
In the previous section, we analyzed the reason for "the boss doesn't talk about salary for a long time." Although it can't be beaten with a stick, it is said that such companies are not reliable; but objectively speaking, companies that do not clearly state the salary are either unable to offer the salary. , or there is a problem with internal management.
This is indeed a signal of "pay attention to vigilance". After receiving this signal, we must do more work, such as investigating and understanding the background information of the company, the background information of the boss and core members, the development trend of the industry, and the company's performance in the industry. Positioning, matching degree with your own career plan, etc., to judge whether the company is a "potential stock" worthy of joining.
Depending on the information you get, you may come to different conclusions, but here are two very specific tips:
First, clearly and proactively explain the salary to you: the general salary structure is relatively fixed, and there is not much room for negotiation. If the competitiveness is not too good, it is recommended to accept the company's treatment.
Second, those who do not talk about salary for a long time but actively show their sincerity: indicate that there is room for negotiation, and negotiate with the other party about the salary based on the average salary level of this position, the situation of the offer that you have, and the salary expectations that you can accept, and then whether to accept the offer or not. .
"The boss only talks about dream growth, not salary": Can such a company go?
- "Want to go after evaluation": How to take the initiative to negotiate salary?
If after the evaluation in the previous step, you feel that the company is good enough to be considered. Then, let's go to the step of negotiating salary, especially to remind the majority of girls: "One Step Forward" mentioned in the book that 57% of men will negotiate their first salary with their leaders, And only 7% of women do so. So, girls, especially for a company that doesn't talk about salary for a long time, we have to talk boldly! Specifically, there are three suggestions:
The first step is to ask directly if you are not guilty.
"Bargaining" is a basic workplace ability. I won't say more if I encourage you. Here is a special reminder - not only ask how much the monthly salary is, but also ask the details, including but not limited to: how to get social security ? Is it the full amount? Are there any meal supplements or supplements? Do you provide accommodation? Are there performance and bonuses? What is the company's salary increase plan or policy? Is there a double salary at the end of the year? How are the year-end bonuses issued? and many more.
These details are actually money too and will ultimately affect our total revenue. Of course, when asking, you can pay attention to the methods and methods, so as not to make people think too much. For example, I graduated this year and need to leave the school in July. I would like to ask if the company provides accommodation? Does the company have a specific salary increase plan? I wonder what efforts should be made to get into the company, etc.
The second step is to comprehensively analyze wages and living costs, and have an opinion and a bottom line.
After you understand the salary and treatment of the other party, you can analyze your own cost of living based on factors such as city and work location, and judge whether the salary is acceptable.
In this process, you must think independently, there is no need to compare with others, and you don’t need to feel ashamed because the salary is not as good as that of the little A classmates in the dormitory. Because life is not about how fast you go with others, but how far you go. At the same time, if you are very confident in your expected salary, you don’t have to compromise without being fooled by others. Therefore, you must have an opinion and a bottom line, so that you will not be entangled or aggrieved.
The third step, how to take the initiative to negotiate salary?
As we said earlier, if you don’t talk about salary for a long time, there is often more room for salary negotiation. Therefore, if you are not satisfied with the salary offered by the other party, you can take the initiative to negotiate. There is a “routine” that you can use flexibly.
First of all, say that you like this company and this OFFER. Here, you need to specifically talk about why you like it, such as matching your major, or approving your boss's business model.
Show that you want to work hard.
I hope that the salary will increase a little to make my life more stable.
If the other party agrees and gives you some salary increases, then everyone is happy; if the other party refuses and gives you a lot of reasons, then you can also ask "the company's salary increase system, that is, after I join, when and under what conditions. Can you get a raise?" Relatively speaking, a company with a clear salary increase policy will be more reliable.
"The boss only talks about dream growth, not salary": Can such a company go?
Special Note:
When discussing salary, if the boss still uses a bragging attitude to educate your face and teach you to be a new person, such as saying to you: "Young man, how can you open your mouth to make money? Think of me XXXXXXX back then."
Then, he is a serious hooligan, I suggest you stop talking nonsense with them, and quickly find the next one.
Finally, I wish the partners who read this article a bright future and a rich future!